So, a lot of us have been following Kamichu, which has has been looking very promising. However, it's looking more and more like nobody's making a serious attempt to fansub it. ADTRW^H^H^H^H^H MEYRIN did a few episodes, but they've been saying they'll drop it from the start, and they also didn't seem to think too highly of their own work on it. Nobody else has gotten past episode one.
This is a damn shame, since it's such an appealing series. We've floated the idea now and again that maybe we should pick it up, but nothing's definite been decided. So I thought I'd float the idea to the larger community: Would anyone be interested in seeing us subbing it? I can't guarantee that we'd manage to keep it up better than the others, but we could take a stab at it.
So, good idea? Anybody wanting to help out with translation (we're always short-staffed when it comes to that, like everyone else)? Thoughts?
Yeah, you can count me in for encoding again :D
This Anonymous says YES! I would love to see you guys work on a fansub. w If you did, would you guys continue after ep 3 or start over?
Another Anonymous vote for YES!
This is a vote for YES! Unfortunately my near to nonexistent Japanese wouldn't be of any help.
Umm.. since I was the one who suggested this in the first place, it behooves me to say: "Yes. Yup. Uh-huh. Roger."
I'm in.
Good question. On the one hand, a lot of people are probably waiting for ep 4. On the other hand, if MEYRIN is still going to continue, it would a bit rude to them. Also, a lot of people are unahppy with MKVs, so for new viewers it would be better to start from 1.
So we'd be looking at HardSub AVI?
I say hunt down the HDTV raws, that way I can crunch down the image size, and get higher quality :D
People are unhappy with MKV? ponder I can't quite figure that out. I'm unhappy with OGM :) I'd prefer if everyone did MKV so that it would be easier to fix subtitle issues. Not only that, but you can embed ssa subtitles in an MKV instead of just plain old srt subs.
If you do HardSub AVI, I guess that'd be ok, but I'd prefer the soft subs and I really think it'd be helpful to you guys. If you don't want to do the MKV route, think about releasing the raw (with certain things like signs and text hardsubbed) + ssa (for the main speech). Most video players these days support soft subs if the name of the sub file and video are the same...
Anyway, I've never heard of nor seen this anime but I'd like to see you guys pick up something new. Emma was great (and still is) but I think your talents would be wasted if you stopped subbing :)
People are unhappy with MKV because it won't play on their machines even after setting them up to play fansubs - that is, AVI with mp3 sound and xvid. Nobody likes to be forced to install more crap on their machines, and that's quite a reasonable attitude, really. MKV only has advantages for power users and people obsessed with video quality - for the regular user, it's just like AVI except it's harder to get it working.
All true. What's more, my machine is set up to play MKVs, yet I've been having a lot of trouble with the sound and video "stuttering" on MEYRIN's subs.
What it boils down to is that making a fansub that only 5% of the audience can watch, because the rest don't have the required kit, is sort of... well... I don't know any politer way to put this... stupid.
Sound and video stuttering is probably due to the HDTV quality which is VERY HIGH quality and some slower machines have trouble with that.
>>12
You're probably right, but that just goes to prove my point.
I'd love it to see Kamichu subbed by you. I vote yes! Whether it's MKV or AVI I'll be grateful.
Video quality has nothing to do with MKV, power users have nothing to do with MKV. It's just a media container just like OGM or AVI, it's just more flexible.
Now, one issue I see here, you automatically think that the audio is mp3 and video is xvid. I've run into quite a few MKV that have real media, mpeg, and divx video and ogg, mp3, and other audio. The problem is, if you're having issues with MKV, you don't have the proper drivers installed.
Google k-lite mega codec pack:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Mega_Codec_Pack.htm
This will get you EVERYTHING you need to watch MKVs with little to no fuss. Real Media and Quicktime without installing the proprietary players, and other things.
MKV actually has lower overhead than AVI and OGM and to top it off, it's very flexible.
Don't get me wrong, I'll go for Hardsubbed stuff, I just prefer MKV because of how flexible it is. It also runs rather well on my wife's 500mhz machine, our 1ghz p3 machine, my celeron laptop, and my main box without problems. All I did was install the K-Lite pack and that was it.
Explorer constantly crashes with OGM so as soon as I run into that crap, I mux it to MKV ;) heh
I'm looking forward to this series and I certainly hope you guys sub it!
Pleeeeaaase, no zealot discussion about how to properly view MKVs. Skim through the Kamichu thread @ Raspberry Heaven to get an idea that it's not that easy: http://raspberryheaven.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1602
If you just want to preach, however, it would probably better if you went here: http://4-ch.net/tech/
The point you missed is this: We don't want to tell people what they have to do to play our files. If we have to do that, we've already lost the vast majority of our audience, who do not want to install files, or read forums, or search on Google to watch their anime.
We adapt to the viewers, not the other way around. This is the first rule of being user friendly.
>>15
I'm already running the K-lite mega codec pack, and you're completely missing the point.
As WAHa.06x36 explained, it's a question of optimal accessibility. If you place the bar artificially high, you'll just be annoying your potential audience.
Haha. K-lite. Haha*.
>ADTRW^H^H^H^H^H MEYRIN did a few episodes, but they've been saying they'll drop it from the start, and they also didn't seem to think too highly of their own work on it.
I didn't put out the first episode as officially Studio ADTRW because I was embarassed at the poor translation. After that it just sort of became impossible to change.
At the moment, it looks like episode 4 would be almost impossible to translate well with only the resources we already have (it has a lot of complex military language, although 5 and 6 are apparently very simple again). I had a sort of discussion with WAHa about combining efforts, but he went to sleep and it didn't restart afterwards.
As another note, the guy on Share who's been encoding our HDTV raws hasn't posted 5 and 6 yet, so he might have vanished. And if you don't feel like having ADVANCED HIGH DEFINITION TECHNOLOGY, you might as well wait until the 24th and have an R2 DVD source.
Still trying to get a hold of some more people to work out the details of how this would work. Hey, FON, get on IRC!
Also, I got episode 5 in HDTV off Winny. Haven't looked for 6 yet.
I'm all for it. I've got nothing against mkv, and one can say that the encoding is...marvelleous ;D But as some has said, MEYRIN isn't tiptop with the t/l. Feels more they are trying to make someone else interested in doing it.
I miss the topic a while earlier, sorry for the clone.
I can't read the x264 codec encodes. Meyrin Encode Policy pisse me off, because i can't read any of their files. I don't know what they want to do in the fansub community, but many users seems to have issues with the Meyrin/ADTRW releases. It's sad... I'm waiting for some other fansubs for the time being. It's really frustrating.
Well, here's the story so far: We (that is, mogura) helped MEYRIN out with getting ep 4 done:
http://raspberryheaven.net/~adtrw/torrents/Kamichu!-04_HDTV_720p_%5BMEYRIN-iitran%5D.mkv.torrent
We're meaning to go back over the earlier episodes and do some corrections, and make more accessible encodes of those... Stay tuned for more information on that.
how dare they adapt and use new technologies !!!!
That not the problem, i'm for the progress and the use of new technologies. But they should release in .avi for those who can't read the HDTV ones... Otherwise, good job on that one, the translation is awesome (I used my linux to read it ^^,)
Install Linux, problem fixed.
Can anyone with a generic graphics card play this? Mine was really choppy. However, the moe shone through. Certain shows can break through technological barriers.
Oh...if you use CCCP, it helps to disable the Haali splitter. It was a lot better after that, although some of the subtitles didn't work anymore.
The MEYRIN files use the full HDTV resolution at 1280x720, which means you need a pretty beefy processor to play them. When we get around to doing our encodes, we'll scale them down to something that's easier to handle.
>>24, >>25, >>27
None of these posts are helping to solve any problems. They're basically just arrogant "If you can't see it, it's your own problem" noises. As I said in my earlier post, it makes no difference how good your fansub quality is, if a large percentage of the potential audience can't watch it.
So say something constructive and helpful, or naff off.
>>31
You fail to recognize >>27 as an ironic catchphrase.
See also http://4-ch.net/ascii/kareha.pl/1102735161
I personally love the fact they are doing softsubs. It feels closer to the stack of VHS fansubs in my closet.
Fuck you karaoke whores.
I don't like the mvk though. What I wish they would do is make a torrent for the HDTV and a torrent for a lower sized encode. Then just release the .ssa file so we can use vobsub
Going to release a version 2? Just need to download the new ssa \o
I'm personally agreeing with the idea of hardsub AVI for all the good reasons above. And for an answer where it's due, sure, I like linux, and it's my primary OS, but it has many weaknesses, one of which I'll generally call "interface". Playing and managing files in linux generally gives me the shits.
Linux can play any video format, no problem. Right after I compile my goddamned player. And that's after I go and download all the src for the core, and then all the codecs I want...
Other stuff to take into account: I know one or two people who use their DVD player to watch anime. While things are improving, support for softsubs in dedicated players is pretty hit and miss. Hardsubbed AVI is fine, thank you.
Unless you're going to offer me something nice, like multiple subtitle streams, or perhaps AC3 audio, just use AVI. (and don't hack AVI to insert an AC3 stream. Please...)
That said, I do like the odd softsub as well. If I can get HD raws and some subs, that's cool. Hell, if I can get any raw and some subs that means they didn't spend more time timing the gratuitous karaoke than the rest of the episode, that's even cooler.
I like karaoke, a lot of people do. The karaoke I want is just the romaji. Kanji is a wank. Translation, while nice, is irrelevant. When was the last time the words to a song made any sense? And why do people insist on making the karaoke dance? I'm dead serious when I say karaoke has gone downhill. There are far too many subs where the lyrics are hard to read. What's the fucking point!?
</tirade>
>>32
I don't care. Really, I don't.
>I like karaoke, a lot of people do. The karaoke I want is just the romaji. Kanji is a wank. Translation, while nice, is irrelevant. When was the last time the words to a song made any sense? And why do people insist on making the karaoke dance? I'm dead serious when I say karaoke has gone downhill. There are far too many subs where the lyrics are hard to read. What's the fucking point!?
Well said! Too much attention is paid to the bells-and-whistles, and not enough to the basic message.
Releasing .ssa files separately does have its advantages, as you say, but the problem is that this is also far too tricky to get to play correctly for most people. AVI hardsubs are still the most accessible way to release fansubs.
pisse off some otakues
You misspelled "offe". Now behave, all of you!
I cant believe this. Finally someone subs a show in HDTV without a reencode and softsubs (no noise, no reencode, no quality loss, adjustable, etc.) and most of you guys are complaining.
And dont give me this "omg its mkv" crap. Just use MPC or VLC or take your freaking 2 Minutes to install the Matroska Pack or CCCP.
The anime itself rules and its rather sad that no "real group" is subbing it. Nonetheless we get a version which other groups would never release (did I already mention HDTV, Raw quality and softsubs?) and all you do is complain.
At 4chan somebody said he wouldnt even care if it were just .rm quality like in the old days. You guys are so damn ungrateful. I didnt read a single "thank you for your subs/effort" in this thread. Im thankful that they are still releasing it and hopefully will not drop it because some ****** think they have the right to complain.
Hi, i've just installed the K-Lite codec pack and played the HDTV version of Kamichu no problems like before, but now i find the subs aren't there when i play even though it says it's turned on, can anyone help? Thanks!
age because neither iitran nor [meyrin] know what's going on and the latter wanted a post
All right... I've now beaten my computer repeatedly with a stick, while mumbling arcane spells and uninstalling/reinstalling various components - I've even fiddled with the Defiler Pack mentioned in a previous post in this thread (although that alone didn't work)...
...and I am happy to report that somehow (though I'm fecked if I know which part of it did the trick) I am now able to play these files without problems.
However, this does not alter my position that the format is unusable for a general release, because a disproportionate number of users will be unable to view it. It must be considered a supplementary format, for connoisseurs.
So get on IRC so we can get to work on making our own encodes already!
Proper communication is serious business.
I'm-a itchin for some encodin.
I think Kamichu! is the best series of this season so I hope someone will keep translating it. My Japanese isn't up to that, but I would be happy to do editing/polishing up or timing - provided I can get a raw or audio track I can actually play properly!
I vote for soft subs, they are much more flexible, e.g. if they're too small for your display you can pick a bigger font.
You can also turn them off for a clean display (nice during OP/ED to get rid of masses of unnecessary text and lyrics that most fansubs suffer from these days!)
I think the main trouble with the raw files that are coming out is not the MKV format, which here contains standard XVID (thank goodness!!), but that it is variable frame rate. Although ffdshow can play it ok, VirtualDubMod can't decompress it properly for editing: the ED comes out badly corrupt due (I think) to only 24 of the 30 frames per sec ED being decompressed. I wonder if the lack of fansubbers might be something to do with difficulties with the raw.
Some tips:
2. Stuttering HDTV video.
a) Forget 3D benchmarks, what you need a graphics card that can handle 2D textures / mpeg acceleration of 1280x720. If not, the video overlay won't be used and your cpu will have to do it all. With a good enough 2D video card even a 1GHz cpu should cope.
b) Use the official ffdshow-20041012 codec and NOT the unofficial 2005 H264 build found in the CCCP & K_Lite codec packs, as according to Milan Cutka it has all cpu optimisations turned off (due to the wrong compiler being used) and thus plays like a dog unless you have a very fast cpu. This alone probably accounts for much of the grief of stuttering hi res video playback.
worked for me with just defilerpak. unfortunately my computer can't play HDTV without dropping frames
you guy's are going to continue subbing kamichu? great series, really
Advance warning: episode 8 featuring the Battleship Yamato (although not in space) is another "our writers are crazy political nutcases" episode like 4, so it might be hard to translate again.
What, no announcement about episode 5?
The RH thread seems to be more popular for this....
Okay, let me get this straight here.
Working on this project, we seem to have:
WAHa.06x36 - Raws/Typeset?
FON - Translation
mogura - Translation
Myself - Encoder/Typeset
It would seem that we need to find a timer and a typesetter, or WAHa and myself are going to have to take a crash course in SSA, something I believe neither of us are looking forward to. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.
Re: episode 8 and the Yamato... Onishima, the Japanese town Kamichu! is set in has a 1:1 scale replica of the upper decks of the Yamato which was built as a set for a new movie about the ship being released soon in Japan. It's now a tourist attraction.
A quick query -- why is the Kamichu! ep 5 torrent labelled as being "glorious fake HDTV"? Is it not actually 720p, but instead some kind of upscaling?
What's the deal there? Just curious. :)
Dafydd @ ATMOS Software
>>55
Exactly what I wondered. This would decide if I even should bother downloading it since I already have the regular fansub...
The 720p raws have all been upscaled by the raw capturer, but they're still the best ones that can be found until the DVDs come out.
pipeline, is irc.ambrosia.net worth being on these days?
There's some problems with the kamichu 5v2 subs - timing errors that actually break the subs entirely in BSplayer.
Mostly works in media player classic, though "what happens to yurie" stays on-screen for several minutes at least.
They should be simple errors to fix (it looks like they are just overlapping timecodes), but I can't seem to get virtualdubmod to work with the SRT I exported and then fixed. <grr>
SRTs are just plain text files; if you know the approximate time the error occurs, it should be easy enough to fix it with a normal text editor.
I'm probably going to quit throwing out rough scripts for this since I have to get into college until december, but I'm the phantom staff member of [MEYRIN] so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
Good luck on the project!
>>56
You don't need to get it, this didn't really merit a v2 but there were like two or three jokes fixed.
Looks like we have a timer and a typesetter. Everyone welcome wild and Kayle to the team :D
Welcome, Wild and ....wow, Kayle!
So happy to have you here :)
>>54
The town name seems to be wrong, after some googling, I found the town: Onomichi (尾道)
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=%E5%B0%BE%E9%81%93&ll=34.404962,133.210044&spn=0.028626,0.042808&hl=en
http://www.city.onomichi.hiroshima.jp/english/map.htm
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20050902p2a00m0na034000c.html
Too bad it's super-low-res in Google Earth. Oh well.
Re: Onomichi. Sorry about the typo... I found all sorts of interesting stuff about the town via Google -- there's a short film that shows shoolgirls wearing seifuku uniforms (very similar to the ones Yurie, Matsuri and Mitsue wear) as they ride their bikes off the ferry (but they're not wearing safety helmets, tsk tsk).
Well, don't just say things like that, link the video.
http://homepage3.nifty.com/muten/2005/kamichu/
...isn't this cute?! XD
VacBob, yep, the irc channels are still go to go. :)
Dafydd @ ATMOS Software
Here's some nice website!
this page has a lot of pictures taken in Onomichi, you can see some scenes used for OP cut, Yurie's school, ferry she uses to go to school, matsuri's shurine, and lot more, covering up to episode 4.
How many of them do you recognize? :)
Comments are written in japanese but the pictures are worth seeing!
All credits goes to Hitachi Shinjyo-sama, an admin of this site. :)
http://homepage1.nifty.com/h-shinjyo/kamichuwindtanbou1.htm
http://homepage1.nifty.com/h-shinjyo/kamichuwindtanbou2.htm
hope you enjoy!
For all you seifuku fans out there, here's a couple of those short films I mentioned in message 67 above. I can't find the website I got them from again though so I've hosted them temporarily myself.
Quick question regarding the raws themselves. Usually the DVD is preferred over broadcast raws due to greater quality. I've not been watching Kamichu myself, but from what I understand, it's being subbed at HDTV res. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this make the braodcast raws actually better than what DVD can offer? If this is indeed the case, the only advantage I can see in DVD raws is the lack of ads and general "cleanliness" during subbing.
Supposedly the HDTV raws are upsampled. They are also re-compressed, which the DVD raws wouldn't be. As we wouldn't release files at HDTV res anyway, the DVD is a much better choice.
Work has begun.
(crap, now I sound like whispers)
That's nothing bad - unless she's going to sue you for trademark infringement.
I guess it's okay as long as it's still in the family. :)
Is iitran continuing on from Meyrin (i.e episode 6) or starting over?
Starting fresh from the first episode from the DVDs that are being released.
Any year now would be nice.
>>81
You're more than welcome to translate, time, typeset, edit and encode it yourself, jerk.
I translated the signs for ep.6 a while ago if anyone wants them, I'll leave the script up until iitran reach that ep. anyhow. (Arc Ressiv's timing might need tweaking for the DVD but it should be quicker than doing it from scratch.) (Link is on Meyrin/Raspberry Heaven forum, around 8th Sept.)
It will be out soonish. These things take time, especially when you have not one, but two new team members.
"whispers has finally joined to kamichu project, yay" age. :)
Troop, fall in!
FON is still nowhere in sight.
Okay, so now I'm confused.
I sent material for the revised ed. of ep. 1, including Guide, and I heard... nothing.
Don't mind me, I'm just twiddling my thumbs over here in the corner.
>>90
By guide, do you mean the extra that came with the first DVD, by any chance?
looks like a group by the name of C1anime has just released kamichu! episode 2... hmmm
Doesn't look like it's the DVD version.
No, by Guide, I mean that we're (strongly) considering doing something like the "whispers' guide to the world of Emma" that we did for the Emma subs.
For Kamichu!, we're working on some explanations of the little details of Japanese culture and religion that aren't readily understandable by Westerners. For ep. 1, I've written some material on omikuji.
http://shii.oppresstheweak.com/hr/res/147.html
yoshitoshi ABe tries to figure out just what "Kamichu" is short for, and apparently settles on "Kamiokande no Chuugakusei".
Also, disregard that, it's "Kamiokande no Chuukanshi-tan". orz
"Kamiokande's Meson-tan" or something along those lines.
Yeah!
Sub kamichu please :)
u did awesome work with emma and kamichu is a good serie (extremely funny and different enough)
and i would love to help u but i just started reading japanese :(
It's great to hear that you're willing to take on this project. The extras from the DVDs are hopefully worth the wait. Take your time getting things done. I waited this long for Mahou to finish Tsukuyomi, so I can wait for the DVD rips of Kamichu (^_^). Just my luck that I prefer shows like Mahou Shoujo Tai, Petopeto-san and Ichigo Mashimaro instead of the dozen versions of Tsubasa and Naruto. Kamichu has been very enjoyable so far.
How long is "this long"?
I can wait <--this long--> or <-------this long---------> but not <------------------------this long-------------------------->
lol, you're very honest :)
24 hours. The first ep should be out within that time (that's if my bullshit internet connection doesn't die)
Okay, maybe a little longer.
I'll just wear this cardboard box and sneak past the guards! Snake, you're a genius!
http://cerealandmilk.net/torrents/Kamichu!%20-%20DVD%2001%20%5Biitran-ADTRW%5D.avi.torrent
Oh yes! Kamichu in DVDRip goodness! Yay! Please keep up the good work guys! And yes, it's lame how other groups just burried their Kamichu projects. Anyway, I'll download it right away and post my impresions about the quality, so take this post as a congratulation in advance. n_n'
w00+, nice job on this! \o/ Finally an excellent translation in a format I can watch without worrying about system resources or desyncronization. Wasn't expecting the extra scenes, either. I look forward to the rest of the series.
Thanks a lot for this release, guys. More Miko goodness in the extra scenes and finally somebody translates Yurie's last line in the swimming pool correctly. This makes my decision to buy the R2 Japanese DVDs even easier than it was before.
Any idea yet about the extra 4 episodes and how they will be spaced out on the DVDs -- 1, 3, 5 and 7 or 2, 4, 6 and 8? And who do we have to kill to get another series of Yurie and the shrine-maiden crew?
Good Job, guys! Very well done, keep it up! Ganbate, kudasai!
good joob guys! like it alot, expecially F.O.N's guide to Yurie's World. Guess that's the trademark of iilchan . Ganbatte!
Just wanted to say that there is a discussion thread for Kamichu @ 4-ch, a site that belongs to the same guy who also runs this place:
http://4-ch.net/anime/kareha.pl/1120838150
Probably better for actual content discussion than this thread.
...and this thread serves a purpose for those who wish to discuss iitran's release of Kamichu.
yay! loving it - nice one!
when will the next episode be available?
http://raspberryheaven.net/forums/download.php?id=665
Swedish translation, but could use some editing (he left the English version on the side, which also reveals a few typos in proper names, and I don't know if the vertical sign is translated)
That Swedish translation is crawling with typos. I'll look it over and make corrections.
Even if you guys release in hard-subbed AVI, please also release the .ssa files for those of us who can use them. I already have the DVD ISO files from Share, and I'd like to merge the subtitles into them so I can burn actual DVD copies of this show.
Don't mean to be pushy but, when can we expect Ep2. release from you guys? And if this sounds pushy to you, you gotta understand... THAT YOU SIMPLY MADE AN INCREDIBLE JOB WITH EP. 1! Really guys, very nice job on the encoding also, very sharp with cool color balance, I love it. So, how about Ep.2? Can you leak us some info about next release date from you? Pretty please? The waiting is killing me! n_n'
Uh, there's a number of things I COULD say, but I think I'll let discretion be the better part of valor, and all that, and say:
Work has begun.
combines with anonymous to create ......
UUUUBERRR - HUGGGLES....
need me to combine another big huggles? i guess not....=_=;
anyway, ganbatte guys!
combines with fazco85 to create....
ULLLTRAAA MEEGGGAAA HUGGLEESS!
[feel free to ad any power ranger/ gojira jokes]
ROFL ^^
MAGI RANGER!
excuse me
can i find it in the emule?
i live in taiwan,but like you'r publish avi file
I don't know if it's available on emule, but since I think the hash for it should be 92c76d552592fb73652012fc9023639a.
ed2k://|file|Kamichu__-DVD_01_iitran-ADTRW.avi|184501878|b29b96eaa3aa9d6d50d12ba1557c4584|/
Really? I thought it used md5 hashes?
Emule uses md4 for links and sha1 for AICH hashsets, see http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/help.cgi?l=1&topic_id=589&rm=show_topic
The link in >>132 has been ruined by WakabaMark, so you should put the brackets back in.
WakabaMark ruined the filename but the link does still work since the hash and size is correct.
Hopefully the next Kareha version lets users disable WakabaMark for theis posts.
I think my server is trying to tell me something.
Its hard drive died, and took the second DVD for Kamichu with it.
No more Vader on the Kamichu project.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
on a related subject, can anyone recommend a good site that has the scanulations for the manga this anime is based on?
all ive got so far is this one:
http://raspberryheaven.net:53284/stats.html?info_hash=1995893310f0cecbff00167c020a9d228f45c7a7
Well, after various delays, and a whole lot of obsessive work, here it is!
http://cerealandmilk.net/torrents/Kamichu!%20-%20DVD%2002%20[iitran].avi.torrent
Yay!
and Kamichu manga chapter 2 is also out! yay!
Yay.... Ditto ^^;
Whoa! Ganbatte, iitran! We all apprechiate your hard work!!
Oh yes! We appreciate it! Origatou iitran!!! I'm all over this torrent right now. I just woke up half an hour ago and look what I find!!! This HAS to be a great day!!! Now, really, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the hard work guys. You're doing a really great job. I'm kinda picky when it comes to almost anything, including anime encodes and let me tell you by experience that there are groups out there that have months or even years encoding without reaching the quality you've reached. Personally I think that AVI is OK while you don't need special font encoding or multiple audio channels and if you use a good video codec (and use it well of course). So, while I still dun know which codec are you using since I've been using CCCP for month's now I'm pretty sure that whichever it is you already know how to handle it pretty well, since your filesizes are small and the quality very high. Well, Xvid is good (better than DivX in my opinion) but nothing surpases the quality of h264 at the moment, so maybe you can think of swtiching some day, just an opinion. So you can make video size bigger ;)
Anyway, thanks again for the hard job and please keep up the good work! n_n'
Thank you for DVD episode 2. It is very much appreciated.
Were there any new scenes in the DVD version compared to the TV release? I didn't notice them if there were, and I've watched the TV episode at least half a dozen times.
Do you mind posting the .ass subtitle file for episode 2?
Probably the most obvious added sequences were Yurie-sama's arrival in the realm of the gods, including the first part of her boat ride, and the conversation between/with the three kami of the video storage formats.
>>148
my goodness! o_O
Did you really watched it? Were you awake when you watched it? XD
yes, the scene FON-san pointed out is new.
And 1:30-2:56 are also new scenes!! >_<
how could you miss it!XD
Plus, 8:25-8:52 was not in TV version either. :)
Re: message 148: Pardon my stupidity... I downloaded the Iitran DVD version and then happily sat down and rewatched one of my older TV-version downloads instead. Oops. I've had a quick look and yes there is extra stuff in the Iitran version. Something to look forward to later (after I get my other computer working again). Thanks.
This episode has one of my favourite scenes in the entire series in it, where Yurie is at the temple and accidentally meets Kenj-kun doing calligraphy. She suddenly realises she's talking to him, panics and runs away to hide behind a pillar. That's so... CUTE!
yep2... cute.... nice (to see her blushes, too)
>>152
ah, glad you finally watched the dvd ver. :)
yeah, i understand. it happens to me, too.
every episode is going to have new scenes and dialogs.
and iitran version has 'FON's Guide' at the end so that you can recognize them.
hope you all will enjoy! ^_^
Mistranslation (I think) around 13:46 when the three Gods of video formats are drinking, one of them is referred to as VHD. I think that is actually VCD (which makes more sense).
thanks Nojay for your feedback.
Actually, Kurata(screenplay) and Masunari(director) officially says this, during the audio commentary on DVD (during 13:46-13:53), that they are the kami of VD, VHD and LD. :)
Also this is the okama's original design sketch. you can see 'VHD' written there (and also a god of CD which was delieted from the actual show).
http://www.style.fm/as/02_topics/02_topics_img/050906h.jpg
(i only linked to jpg, as the html includes spoilers!)
Well, to be honest, i'm not quite familiar with those formats myself, maybe i'm mistaken what you meant...if so, please forgive me.
and i'll always be open for any comments/suggestions as to translations, and appreciate them. thank you! :)
If you're not familiar with it (I wasn't before this), you can read up on VHDs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHD.
In addition, VHD is clearly listed as the next to last credit in the cast list during the end credits.
Prod to detail the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamichu
thanks everybody for your efforts concerning this GREAT series. But... when will we have ep. 3 ? Meyrin stopped at ep. 5 and I just can't stand the wait... (well, I know, I'm asking too much, but still…)
To #160:
Well I think they are still working on it... but yeah, it's getting a bit long. The first 2 episodes released were great. The important thing is reasonable video quality and not-too big size. Good ol' xvid is good enough. :)
Sorry, blame me... working on "3"
The HDTV meyrin stuff sucks and is heavily cut, your versions are much better, so please do continue the DVD versions.
I agree: I prefer your version. But I am really looking forward to seeing ep. 6 and after!!! It is so different a series, cute and deep at the same time, just as Miyazaki's films!!!
i luv in seeing more of this episode, so when are their going to continue, i can help with the QC, message me if you need some help on it, or other thing that i might be able to help, message me on snipewarex@hotmail.com(also on MSN) or gmail.com
Thank you guys for subbing this anime...
Just wanted to give you guys some encouragement! I really like this show, and your work is top notch as well. Thanks guys, and keep up the good work!
This is the first figurine released for Kamichu!, it looks like. On-sale date is January 2006, price 2,325 yen.
http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B000BYT4G6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Schweet! (but her face isn't red enough...)
While waiting for Kamichu ep3, wanna listen to Kamichu Radio? :)
Yurie, Mitsue and Matsuri have a 15 min radio program and
they introduced a message from one of the US citizens!
i transcribed first 5min and whispers kindly helped me on translation. Thank you whispers!
if you're interested in it, please download here.
http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=25FFCD5ZMBNZK3KH8Y8X9CP37C
the txt file includes the download link for Radio(mp3) and password. (please note that this link is valid only for a week)
around 7:32 Mako tries toungue twister. "Aka Kamichu Ao Kamichu, Ki Kamichu!", and so do the other two.
hope you enjoy!
Kaa Mii Chuu! :)
Thanks for the partial transcript, mogura. It was ... interesting. ^_^;
/me waiting for Kamichu DVD #4 and other stuff to arrive.
hmm really looking forward for the next ep...
ganbatte~
>>170
mogura, I took the liberty of hosting the files as well so people can get them if they want, without having to use rapidshare/yousendit. If there's any problems (I notice you password-protected the zip file on rapidshare), just let me know and I'll take it down.
ohhh, thanks Furi!
well, i didn't put the password, but when i got the file it was already protected. it's just that i didn't know how to unlock it.^^;
i have another radio mp3 in which Mako(yurie) says, "daisuki desu!"(i love you) TEN times.^^
if anyone wants it, i can upload it too.
oh, well. her voice is so cute.^^;
> if anyone wants it, i can upload it too.
Yes, please do.
kamichu radio mp3 Download-Link: http://rapidshare.de/files/8359668/omairi_kamichu__051113.zip.html
(not protected by password)
sorry, i didn't transcribe it this time, but i put some notes instead.
http://rapidshare.de/files/8360156/omairi_kamichu1113.txt.html
"p.s. forgive my poor english" --by Aikawarazu-san, California. XD
I would love to see episode 6... and 7....and 8...and 9 please!!!
The work so far is great!
Oh, my! o_O
Mako(the girl played Yurie-sama's voice) is now playing the role of MAID!
Titled "Maid in Akihabara". yes, pun is surely intended.
http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/news/11905.html
the girl in center is Mako-chan. CUTE!
and you can watch the episodes for free! yay!
the story begins in a maid cafe in Akihabara where Saki(Mako) had no choice but to start working.
you can find some anime characters and fan items including Kamichu stationery in this show.
Episode 1 is now be online here http://www.netcinema.tv/
no english subtitles.^^;
...and sorry it's a bit offtopic.
The second picture in the impress.co.jp link above has a girl in a Yurie-sama outfit on the left in the background behind Mako-chan (a bit out of focus). I think this direct link will work:
http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2005/11/24/maid02-s.jpg
Thank you for the information. I suspect some perv^W enthusiasts will get around to subtitling this show.
So, after a lot of tomfoolery and whatnot, Episode 3:
http://cerealandmilk.net/torrents/Kamichu!%20-%20DVD%2003%20[iitran].avi.torrent
Episode 3 "features" reduced typesetting on signs... depending on time, episode 4 may be the same way.
Also, one sign got lost: the popsicle sticks say something like: "sorry, try again" (you can see the popsicle sticks in episode 2).
Another detail: the vehicle that splashes into the water says "Nichibotsu(sunset) Bank". It is a cash transport vehicle, so when it disappears into the sea, the bank lost a lot of money. (detail from Mogura)
Hey guys, I think it's great that youre working on Kamichu and everything but I cannot understand the bad encoding quality of your subs. You even use DVD source raws. If the filesize is the problem, no one said fansubs have to be <175Mb. Make the file as big as it needs to be for a better quality. Even the fake HDTV raws looked way better.
Thanks a lot for continuing Kamichu! I've just discovered this series a week ago and I fell in love with this anime.
Thnx! thnx! thnx! thnx! thnx! thnx!
Thanks a bunch for continuing my favorite series that nobody else wants to sub! I'm looking forward to more!
Somebody give that man his money back.
182:
The encode is pretty true to the DVDs--I applied some, but not a lot of sharpening. Some people prefer more sharpening--a lot of Japanese encoders apply a LOT of sharpening and many fansubbers add even more (who can forget the epidemic of way-over-warpsharpened fansubs from about two years ago?) I like it a bit more subtle.
For the technically minded, an xvid q2 encode of this video comes out to be 27MB larger than this one--not much difference.
184: To my knowledge, neither C1 Anime nor Ichiban-fansubs/Destiny-fansubs have dropped this series. Kamichu! is one of the most oversubbed little known series from Q3 2005. grin.
Thank you, iitran!! Until there are English subbed DVDs released (or I learn Japanese ^^;;), you are my best hope for this wonderful series. Thank you, all, again!
Thanks for all the hard work on this series.
One minor nit: please spell "Deity" correctly.
I timed the first part about the letter from California.
http://astrange.ithinksw.net/kamichu/KamichuRadio-America.mkv
lol
thanks for your help, Mr VacBob! :D
Big thx to all you guys posting and translation the radio shows. Nice work!!
And thx for ep3, 'o cause!
Keep up the great work.
same here. big thanks! :)
I just read this thread through in its entirety, and a lot of it -at the onset, anyway- was about container format, softsubs, filesize etc. The people banding together to do this series seemes against MKV/softsubs on the grounds that it is trickier for the lower denominator to get running and that the format is only used/promoted by quality buffs.
Ignoring the unintended implication that Iitran is not interested in quality, two early quotes from two of the team members are significant:
17 (WAHa.06x36) "We adapt to the viewers, not the other way around. This is the first rule of being user friendly."
18 (Freak of Nature) ..."you'll just be annoying your potential audience." [not using AVI/MP3]
Service-mindedness is an admirable sentiment, perhaps only second to quality orientation, and therefore I'd like to point out the following:
There was also talk about the quality of the iitran encodes being on par with the DVD. If this is true then the DVD sources must be worse than the fake HDTV ones. I frame-by-frame compared selected scenes from iitran and adtrw's versions and the HDTV encodes had significantly more details and less smoothing than the DVD versions, which is not suprising since (regardless of the "DVD source --> higher quality @ lower filesizes than HDTV encodes" claim) they are almost 200 megs smaller! Though there is merit in that a good source can produce finer results at lower filesizes than poor sources, there are good reasons most DVD rippers aim for 233 -- 350 MB encodes from DVDs.
Thus, in conclusion, being truly user-friendly and adjusting to the audience would thus entail resleasing HQ MKV softsubs too. This is obviously not a novel idea to iitran since you're planning the same with the Emma DVD releases. I see no real issues with releasing both for the low and high ends of the userbase at the same time, in fact, it is a waste of a wonderful series and (hopefully good) DVD sources no to do so!
I have thouroughly enjoyed previous Iitran work and in the hope of that the same quality and pride that goes into translations and extras also find their way into encodes and support base awareness/accomodation I look forward to do the same in the future!
Thanks and regards!
Re: .mkvs and codec packs...
I run the CCCP set of codecs on my machine. Sometimes when I play back an .mkv I get both audio streams simultaneously. I don't know why this happens and I don't know how to fix it.
I use an old-style video card for assorted reasons (it does a very high-quality video grab, for one thing, its drivers are very stable too). The CCCP really wants me to use a DirectX-capable card otherwise the subtitle splitter gets all huffy about overlay and such. Trying to replay old .ogms also causes problems -- I can end up with two sets of subtitles sometimes.
Standard hardsubbed .avis just work, period. Even .avi with associated subtitle.ssa or .srt files are OK; they're a mature technology. MKV replay isn't quite there yet.
> Iitran is not interested in quality
This is correct. We are not out to replace DVDs. Neither should any other fansubbing group. You mention DVD ripping groups - that's plain and simple piracy, which is not what fansubbing is about.
Once again, if you want the DVD quality, buy the DVDs.
Roughly speaking, switching away from avi would enable one thing: variable framerate. There have been several 30fps pans which I've had to decimate to 24fps--visible as rather rough moving pans. There are some additional minor technical benefits, and would also make it reasonable to use H.264 for video and ogg vorbis or AAC for audio for smaller file sizes.
Here is a basic fact that needs to be mentioned once again:
We will never get it 100% right for everybody
Do you understand that? You Mr/s knowitall may have come to your scientific conclusion that we should be providing you with whatever fancy-pants or obscure format and for Mr Encoder to bust his chops to provide. If we were doing this for one person, that would be okay. But see, we don't cater for one person. We are catering for over 80,000 individual IP addresses according to my webserver logs.
I think for as long as Mr Encoder and the team create a commonplace, known format that the large majority of users can use , that's all that is needed. For everyone else, shut the fuck up. If you can't any commonplace format, your problem, not ours.
First, @ 196: " I use an old-style video card for assorted reasons (it does a very high-quality video grab, for one thing, its drivers are very stable too). The CCCP really wants me to use a DirectX-capable card otherwise the subtitle splitter gets all huffy about overlay and such. Trying to replay old .ogms also causes problems -- I can end up with two sets of subtitles sometimes. Standard hardsubbed .avis just work, period. Even .avi with associated subtitle.ssa or .srt files are OK; they're a mature technology. MKV replay isn't quite there yet."
You have chosen an older solution for personal reasons. With that choise comes accepting corresponding restrictions. It is your prerogative to make that choise. But -rather than accepting the consequences thereof- to try to restrict other people's choises for your benefit is sheer arrogance (though a very common such).
Second, given that you who have replied to me personally are actually representatives of Iitran, that's just sad. I had never thought you'd stoop to ad hominem attacks, name-calling and "shut up and get lost" argumentats. It should have been obvious from my letter that I'm not a vocal teen with an attitude, and I made the mistake to beleive you'd be the same.
>> Iitran is not interested in quality
"This is correct. We are not out to replace DVDs. Neither should any other fansubbing group. You mention DVD ripping groups - that's plain and simple piracy, which is not what fansubbing is about. Once again, if you want the DVD quality, buy the DVDs."
WaHa, I mentioned DVD rippers not to promote DVD copying but to establish that MKV is no longer a fringe format for techological pioneers. You use DVD sources for fansubs, as do basically all fansubbers who can get hold of them. You -purposely?- misread me as promoting R1 DVD rips, but my argument about DVD sources and quality is still valid unless the encoder purposely strives for diminished quality. But, given that all here share that sentiment, it would make you relatively alone among fansubbers today.
Sqeeks, you might "cater" for 80.000 IPs, if flinging unprocessed and meaningless statistics makes you proud (though exactly who it is you cater for is unknown, but you probably have an idea of the "ideal" user who might or might not exist or be representative). Other groups cater for many more than that -iitran is a small group- and several of these do provide two (or more) versions to chose from. Perhaps because they understand the different desiers of their fans. Mr Encoder has created a commonplace, easily usable, stable, feature-packed, future-safe and very well known format with extremely wide support. Even among fansubbes. Thus, no shutthefuckuping needed, by your own criteria. And I doubt that the encoder who has difficulties understanding the benefits of using a not obsolete container would be bursting his balls over his encodings, or if he does, would perhaps see that he will suffer less scrotumnal ruptures if he switched or learned improved techniques.
Kayle, in #198, gave some examples of benefits, if you're willing to look, there are more. Welcome to #darkhold; say hi from me is you wish.
Do try to read the thread, and you'll see that people do have problems playing MKV. It is, far, far from "commonplace, easily usable, stable". A number of people specifically thank us for not using it, as they've been unable to view MEYRIN files.
And here's a hint: you're being condenscending and arrogant. Nobody will listen to you with that attitude. We know about MKV, and its benefits. We still decided to make AVI files. Your treating everyone as idiots who do not understand the superiority of the format is not going to change anyone's mind.
Now kindly drop the subject.
If rationality, clear arguments, reasonableness and explicit respect is taken as arrogance then there's nothing I can do - I don't speak 1337.
Consider the topic dropped.
I used to encode for iitran, that is, until my server died and I lost the Kamichu DVD ISO and handed the reins over to Kayle.
Before we even started subbing Kamichu, someone like-minded to you came into our IRC channel and recommended that we use MKV for our release of Kamichu, along with AVC video, AAC audio, and SSA subtitles.
Now, I had next to no problems with this, apart from the fact that SSA subtitles are grossly undersupported on any platform that isn't windows, and that you do need a fair bit more processing power to decode AVC video than vanilla XviD video.
There are still fansub watchers out there that use a celeron five hundred and something out in their living room that is tweaked for maximum performance on XviD playback. Playing AVC on such a platform is near impossible, you'd achieve choppy playback.
We do like to cater for everyone, but we don't want to go chopping the legs off those who are less well off and can't afford a kickass PC. I love MKV. I really do. Anything I rip that has subtitles instantly goes into MKV, so that I don't have 3 files, it's a wonderful container format.
However, as much as MKV might be "taking off", the standard is still ~175MB hardsub XviD/MP3 AVI, and that is what we will stick to.
Vader, out.
AVC encoders aren't anywhere near good enough yet that I'd want to switch to them. Maybe if x264 didn't look worse than ffmpeg4 (+ trellis + temporal mask + some other wacky tuning) at 120MB (a smaller size being the only decent reason to switch to anything if you aren't switching from VIVO) while being unplayable slow on my laptop that I can't afford to replace it would be better.
As one who uses a lowly P3-450 to watch his anime, I appreciate the XviD encodes :)
/me bows to Jedi's politeness, and wish I could afford to send some decent hardware to VacBob.
Thanks for subbing Kamichu! I've fallen for this anime since the first episode.
Something that had been bugging me for a while is solved... In episode 3 when Yurie is working at the temple with Yashima-sama making good-luck charms, the cardboard box beside her has some hiragana printed on it, "みかん". I finally looked it up: tangerines. I had noticed another similar box with the same hiragana printed on it in an Adachi anime "Hiatari Ryoukou" where someone had it in their room presumably for storage. Is this a regular thing in Japan or just an odd coincidence?
Ah, well spotted. You've hit upon a fixture of Japanese life, Nojay: the mikan box.
Bear in mind that Japanese homes are generally smaller than ours, and that furnishings are often makeshift, especially for young, mobile people like college students. Since people also sit on the floor, any object the size of a box will serve perfectly well as makeshift table / bookcase / organizer / whatever. Often, when you move into an apartment in Japan, your neighbours will drop by and introduce themselves, bringing with them a mikan box or two.
In short, the humble mikan box is everywhere, being used for all purposes. Of course, sometimes they say other things than mikan - ringo ("apple"), for instance.
Guess I should have put this in a Guide point - but I didn't really think it was that noticeable. I'll do better next time.
You can think of it as a bit of a Japanese meme, if you want.
As FoN has already said, the humble mikan box appears everywhere. I get the impression it's just meant to be a little aberrant thing, and it's silly, above all. A poor homeless girl will probably be found sitting in a mikan box, as an example. They're just everywhere.
<mikan>See, now I'm rambling and making no sense...</mikan>
In the USA, the equivalent is the stolen plastic milk crate. They're stackable, brightly colored, and make wonderful stools, bookshelves, tables, etc.
err, i don't have mikan box! Right now, i don't.
but some years ago, i did :D
i'm not a homeless, mind you. XD
In Denmark, the equivalent (back in the day) was the old-fashioned wooden beer crates. Later on, they went out of production, and plastic milk crates partially replaced them. Oddly enough, you can still see the old wooden crates in use - and they sometimes show up in antique furniture and curio stores, as antiques. Really. I'm not kidding.
When I was in college, mumble mumble years ago, it was orange crate furniture and bricks 'n boards bookshelves.
Ah, a true student...
http://plaza.bunka.go.jp/english/festival/sakuhin/index.html
Yay!
Both Kamichu and Emma...XD
There have been severalposts saying what a good job you guys have done, and thanking you for the effort. This is one of them.
>>221
As promised I have remembered your previous awful post. This post is similarly shitty.
Okay...since not much news on our kamichu lately,
you might crave for some kamichu by now.
Dynasty Scans, where i'm helping translation on kamichu, has just released Kamichu manga Chapter 6.
it has a new story, not in anime.
http://www.point-blank.cc:16384/allowed/torrent.php/%5Bdynasty%5D_kamichu!_ch06.zip.torrent
or for anyone who prefers http download,
http://fatotaku.ifrance.com/dir.php?chemin=.%2FDynasty
and for feedback and anything, please visit, http://dynasty.evalpowar.com/forums/index.php
Hope you enjoy! and wishing you a happy year 2006! :)
you guys are doing a great job keep up the good work!!, can someone tell me how that kamichu ep. 4 is coming along?
Timing and translation is done, next comes typesetting and encoding. I got distracted for a bit, but mogura gently reminded me, and I'm back on the job and working as fast as I can. Sorry, guys, my bad this time.
i love Kamichu! thanks for releasing it iitran translation group
i like kamichu!!!! thanks for subbing it.. u guys rock
Lets all pray for this kamichu! to be great in everyway and to enjoy it with all our brothers and sisters!...Amen.
Another group that is kind enough to keep fans posted ... thanks!
I'm still weighing whether to grit my teeth and buy the R2s or stand my ground and await someone licensing it for R1. This is fabulous stuff -- my son's Japanese teacher just melts for it but she doesn't feel like she can use the raws or subs in class.
There's a fansub of episode 6 of Kamichu! just released on Bittorrent from yet another group, Chuchuchuu:
http://www.dreamorabt.com/details.php?info_hash=b10f9544292051a823ea4e4b3f61af6f599045af
This is subbed from the DVD rather than the TV broadcast as there's a bit of storyline right at the beginning which matches the start of chapter 6 of the manga mentioned above in message 224.
well, i give you credit of a thing, IITRAN is a little more intelligent than chuchuchuu that is releasing in 264 and matroska.. one should try hard to find a less compatible and overabundant format than that. i know that they want to make excellent(::) fansub because they don't buy the original thing, so the fansub it's all that they have, but "normal" people maybe prefer a more compatible format, that can be watch without 200 codecs installed and not 300/400 mb for episode.
They do the release, they get to decide how they're going to do it. The h.264 codec is getting to be more common; I've not watched all of this episode from chuchuchuu but it seems to be a good-quality release technically speaking and it's 180Mb in size which is consistent with most xVid .avi hardsubs out there. As for .mkv containerisation it does allow me the option of switching off subtitles for clean screen grabs or later updates to the subtitle files if bugs are spotted. Right now though there will be other fansubbers who will release this episode as a hardsub .avi. In two years time there may not be anyone doing so but by that time the codecs and replay mechanisms available to us will be a lot better.
I've seen some fansubs and raw anime released as .rmvb -- now that I can't see any reason for.
In two years, I don't think anyone will be using h.264 in MKV with Vorbis audio. The official container for h.264 is .mp4 (which is just quicktime .mov), with AAC audio.
> I've seen some fansubs and raw anime released as .rmvb -- now that I can't see any reason for.
RV10 is more efficient for anime than even H.264. It's also even more annoying to set up players for.
Kamichu is one of those rare shows that I like so much, I'm tempted to just go ahead and buy the R2 discs. Even the covers are beautiful, from the pictures I've seen. The only problem is that pesky "I barely understand any Japanese" thing.
If I were to purchase R2 discs, would you possibly be willing to share your scripts with me for the purpose of making personal, never-to-be-made-public subbed versions? Trying to use SubRip, or redoing things by hand just ends up being too much work for one person even for a show this good. Encoding and minor formatting/timing adjustments aren't a problem for me though.
After mentioning this idea in ADTRW, Mr VacBob suggested I post here with my request. You seem to have things well under control staff wise, but nevertheless, I'd be happy to offer any assistance possible for this project. I'll keep an eye on this thread for your response and preferred method of contact should you decide to grant my request.
Thanks for your excellent work on this series.
HH
I've noticed something weird about Kamichu!... It is set in the modern day -- the girls all wear safety helmets on their bikes and there are lots of other clues that it's up to date like the weapons and tanks in episode 4. So why are the TV set and the telephone in the Hitotsubashi's house so old? The kotatsu episode (no. 11) shows their TV doesn't even have a remote control and their telephone is the old NTT dial type from more than 20 years ago (complete with doilies). Anyone else notice this?
I have my suspicions but I need to investigate a bit further; it may be that this is due to the producers indulging in a bit of homage with respect to another piece of Japanese film history. Mata ne.
The fact is, this kamichu is set in the 80's!
The director says so, and there's some other clues in the video.
(of course including those phone and TV you mentioned)
The line "You're already dead" is a quote from Hokuto no Ken which started in 1983, and the prime minister who appears in ep4 resembles Nakasone who was known for close relationship with Ronald Reagan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakasone
i should've said it when i explained about VHD and LD format thing earlier...
anyway, it's not up to date, but it's in the 80's. :)
oh, and Hardick, thank you very much for your offer.
i'm not sure if we need someone to help us at this very moment, and i'm not in the position to decide, but still i appreciate your kind words. :)
sorry for double posting.
Did you guys release episode 4?
Kamichu!-04_HDTV_720p_[MEYRIN-iitran].mkv
there was that episode listed on tokyotosho but I didn't think you guys would do MKV which is a horrible format...
will it be released in AVI?
That's the old meyrin release.
Message 240, about Kamichu! being set in the 80s...
Right, thanks for clearing that up. I had assumed Kamichu! was contemporary with some 80s touches but that makes a bit more sense.
Nobuhiko Obayashi is a film director who made a series of films in the 80s called the Onomichi Trilogy in guess where? Onomichi. I recently got one of them on DVD ("Tenkousei") and that's where I saw things like the 80s telephone (with the cloth doilies) and the old wooden-cased Sony TV set. In addition there's a number of camera angles that also appear in Kamichu! or associated materials -- the DVD cover of disc 5 shows the three girls coming down a steep stair and across the railway line. This is a shot used a couple of times in Tenkousei. The stair leads up to one of the temples, I think.
There are still anachronisms here and there in Kamichu! though -- just looking at the old film and the new drawings of the stairs, Kamichu! has an automatic barrier at the place the steps cross the railway line whereas it's not present in the 1980s movie. Nitpickers'R'Us.
Oh, my. I never thought anyone here would watch Obayashi's film.
Yes, that's correct. there are several scenes that appear both in his movie and kamichu. and you might know this but when Obayashi was a kid, he was a student of the school where yurie studies in kamichu. (the school is an elementary school in real life, not junior high.)
The model of Raifuku Shrine also appears in Tenkosei, and the model of yurie's house appears in his other film called "Futari".
sorry you guys, it's a bit off-topic again.
Comparisons between present-day Onomichi and scenes from Kamichu:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MotorCity-Race/5569/kami/kamichu.html
http://homepage3.nifty.com/hitopon/hito_google_maps_anime_comic-holyplace.html has locations in Kamichu (and a lot of other series) mapped out, if you can read the Japanese.
I've ripped down a bit of the extra stuff off the "Tenkousei" DVD which includes some 8mm footage Obayashi filmed when he was a youngster growing up in Onomichi (ca. 1963) as well as a modern-day travelogue compered by him (meant for JAL in-flight entertainment I think). It focuses on the locations of the original 1980s Onomichi Trilogy but the Kamichu! fanatics among us might recognise some landmarks here and there. And it's got seifukus!
You can download it from here (about 90Mb, xVid):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KFQS8EUF
If Iitran want to BitTorrent it I'm copacetic with that. Subtitling it would be a challenge as Obayashi-san's Japanese is definitely not Tokyo-standard...
Oh, and just to be circular, it appears the countryside around Onomichi is famous for its groves of mikan (tangerine) trees, so now we know where Yurie-sama got her mikan box from.
to tell the truth, i'm a little suprised iichan isn't doing manga scanslations for this also.
was there a reason? (perhaps people here are friends with dynasty?)
Not fans of Dynasty, but why do it if they already did it? Do you think there's some sort of competition going on here?
Mogura's already helping them with the translation (see >>224).
I had been looking for a translator for the Kamichu manga since around July-August. In fact, it's because of Kamichu that bothered learning how to edit scans. After expending several options I decided to post a request in the Raspberry-Heaven forums (where MEYRIN was posting their progress on the anime) not knowing what else to do. Mogura (using the name "cue") responded about a week later. I really didn't care how many other groups the person was working for as long as I could work on Kamichu, and never knew until later that she worked for iitran.
Dynasty-Scans doesn't have a great deal of involvement on the project since I exclusively do all of the proofreading and editing for it (since I seem to be the biggest fan on the group), but it is hosted on our http and xdcc servers which is reason enough to put our name on it.
well, in short, i think i'm the kind of person who puts their nose in wherever yurie-sama is concerned. :D
I sure could go for some kamichu! about now my mom totally fell in love with the series and no I'm not a 40 year old dude leaving in the basement of my parents house I'm 16 just making that clear.
I'll love to see Kamichu! done completly. I had high hopes for Yukata, but they collapsed shortly after being founed :-( and as mentioned no-one else is doing this which is a shame ... it certainly look nice and interesting and it's something different for a change.
Pleeeeeeeease don't drop Kamichu! It reminds me so much of Japan, and is such a lovely, refreshing series. My Japanese isn't awful, and if you're ever struggling I'm sure I could help with translating for you, but I really really don't want to see kamichu flounder.
>>257
thank you so much for your kind offer!
but i think it's not really the translation that it's taking time at this moment. :)
anyway, for future assistance, i'll keep your name in mind.
and no, i don't think we will drop kamichu project, at least not me.
sorry for making you guys wait. m(_ _)m
Here's another voice of support to keep going (especially since I don't see this type of beautiful show being licensed soon). Is there anything in particular that fans could help with?
I guess you could nag Kayle to work faster!
nag nag nag get your ass into gear Kayle
wait , so is the Kamichu translation more of a iitran project than it is a dynasty one?
>>261
lol good job! ^_^b
>>262
i'm so sorry but i'm not sure if i got what you mean...sweats
yes, i'm working with dynasty but it's just out of my personal reason that i love kamichu myself.
i volunteered to help them only as one kamichu fan.
i love kamichu and wanted to do something personaly for yurie-sama. :)
and in the same way, i'm working with iitran as one fan.
i'm not the original member of either group.
it was merely a nice coincidence and i'm happy that i've been able to get involved with both anime and manga translation.
...So, Kayle, where're you? xD
Dynasty = the manga, iitran = the anime (both with mogura's help, hooray for mogura!)
joins in cheering for mogura!
Thank you, whispers and Lirazel! ^o^
and hooray for whispers, too!
thanks a lot for always helping me out in correcting my engrish. ^^;
Here's another voice in support of Kamichu! .... a lovely series that is just awash in culture (not to mention high quality in animation, music, and writing).
I doubt it'll ever see Region 1 (unless Disney spots it) so "iitran, you're our only hope" <cough>.
I'm considering purchasing the series in R2 for my son's Japanese teacher to show as an alternative to her annual Totoro showing. She almost swooned when I showed her the first couple of episodes of Kamichu!
((working on my translation skills and may start looking at the other skills required for subtitling this summer))
Is there any connections between kamichu and R.O.D(Read or Die)?
I saw someone who resemble Yomiko Readman while watching DVD ep11 --"
The writer of ROD, Hideyuki Kurata, is on the Kamichu team.
Re: ROD and Yomiko Readman.
You mean this girl?
http://www.antipope.org/~nojay/kamichu/snap-964230.jpg
This is a screencap from the first episode. I don't think she appears in any of the other televised episodes but I could be wrong.
I dunno. She's got glasses and she's reading a book. There are thousands of characters that fit that description. She doesn't even look very much like Yomiko Readman -- her jawline is too full. At any rate, I think the whole "Yomiko Readman makes a cameo appearance" thing is silly.
80s.
Could be Yomiko in high school. hehe.
You're missing the clincher, which is that she specifically has Yomiko's big, square, and thick-rimmed extra-nerdy glasses. It's the details that matter in character design!
At the beginning of episode 6 (DVD version) of Kamichu! we see the class exam listings posted up on the noticeboard. I had a look for Yomiko Readman's name but didn't see it. I was assuming the kanji for Yomiko was (yomi: to read) + (katakana ko) but I've got no idea what the kanji for Readman would look like.
Question: would she be the study-bug type that would do well in exams and end up in the top rankings or would she be too busy reading and be trailing down at the bottom with Yurie-sama?
sigh
I don't mean to be the sort of person who nags busy volunteers who, after all, have a life to live... but may one enquire if there's any hope for Kamichu! 4?
There is. Can't give a specific timeframe yet, but soon enough we should have some more episodes done.
yeah, we're seeing a ray of hope now. :)
thank you everyone on the team!
Kamichu is so refreshing!! You guys are great. I can't thank you people enough for subbing it!!
Now, please please pleeeaase, don't encode the next episodes in HDTV format like MEYRIN does!! I have a 1.5GHz processor with 512MB RAM and still the video lags a lot! Hearing you're gonna release Kamichu 4 separately from MEYRIN is a great relief.
I am offended that you'd accuse MEYRIN of encoding things.
well I think you are the only one.
Any chance of seeing any more of Kamichu? I think it is pretty cool. And I'm an old guy.
give my internet connection time.
I'm downloading the DVD raws right now so I can encode mmkay?
Excellent, thanks. I'll watch with interest.
Good, good. Thanks a lot.
This series is one of the few I enjoy AND were produced after the 90s. Quite a feat when it comes to bitching nostalgic freaks like me. :)
<3 Ah, so cute. I've been sort of busy lately and I finally~ just downloaded the first episode of Kamichu. *__*; It is so supercute. I can't wait for it to continue. :3
The fansubbing group Chuchuchuu has released episodes 7 and 8 of Kamichu! from the DVD on BitTorrent. This includes one of the episodes not shown on TV.
Another chance to gaze in astonishment at Mitsue's flotation devices, and Yurie gets involved in a catfight.
I could not watch the chuchuchu releases in VLC 8.4a. I think the files are flawed. I have viewed h.264 movies in mkv containers with VLC before, with success. But these don't work for me.
So, does this mean that iichan is letting chuchuchu take over? You did some quality work... but life is life. Just let us know, you know, so I can stop checking the torrents list.
No. We are actually currently working on translating 7 and 8. Our main problem is to get the damn episodes encoded. We've had a completely ridiculous amount of problems with this. We might have to end up asking for someone to help us out with this.
yeah... i haven't given up on it yet.
now i'm transcribing even ep9... meh.
i thought i saw the lay of hope, but it might have been a mirage...
OK, so now I am very pleased, but confused. When I look at the torrents I see eps 1-3, but not 4-6... ?_?
And the reason I feel so strongly that your work is better has to do with the additional depth I feel in the translation. For example, when the girls go up on the roof to try and see what powers Yurie has, and she says, "I'm going to do something embarassing...?" it felt much more like something I would have said myself as a very young teenager.
I have no technical or language skills at all (except in English), or I'd offer to jump in...
Why don't you guys just use the same encoding for 1-3 (xvid?) instead of going to mkv? Not everyone has a DVD burner, and they will be happy to squeeze 4 eps onto a CD-R. Simple xvid will give sufficient quality without requiring lots of resource.
anything is good for me =) ya'll are the best fansubbers so i dont mind waiting. id help out too if i knew how to work with encoding and all. good luck!
You can't see the episodes because they haven't been released, because we haven't been able to get them encoded.
And no, we aren't switching to anything other than XviD.
I can help you if you are stuck with encoding. Just let me know if you like.
There WILL be an episode out within the next 48 hours. I pledge my goddamn life on it.
Unwise, that.
Vader, I know you're doing your best, and I really appreciate it. I've asked Kayle to take a look at it, but my first preference would be for him to figure out a way around your problem and help you solve it, rather than him taking over. At any rate, we've got episode 5 ready to go, too, so one way or another, that's waiting for you.
This has been very frustrating for everyone, I know. Keep doing your best; that's the best anyone can do.
and to make things worse, I got capped. I can only finish downloading this DVD during the hours of midnight and 8am GMT+10.
Just wanted to say that I had no idea how stressful this was proving to be... I really admire you people for working so hard on something that's probably not even fun any more. Thanks!
Oh, I'm having great fun! ...working on EPISODE EIGHT.
Anonymous Leecher wishes it known that all the hard work done by iitran has been, and will be, very much appreciated. Anonymous Leecher further wishes it understood that if required, he will send his cousin Vinny round to various whiners' houses to forcibly remove their internets (with extreme prejudice) as a service to the community.
Dear Anonymous Leecher
Marry me and have my children!! please please I'm begging you.
thank you.
i wanna learn how to encode. that way i can get my name plastered on ur eps. then i can brag about how i was a part of the iitran fansubs group. =D
You can use Windows Movie Maker to do that and its pretty easy too.
Is there a status page or such for Kamichu (translation, timing, encoding, etc)? I'm curious where in the process future great iitran subs are...
>>308
oh! That's a very intimidating... ahem, er, interesting idea, i think. :D
what do you think, everyone?
that sounds something like what manhole fansubs have on their home page. (sorry to mention other fansubs)
sounds pretty cool, but not really necessary.
I find it rather difficult to keep the project status pages for my group up to date, though I suppose it will be easier if it's just for Kamichu.
While I'm sure some people would be interested, I think the effort is better spent actually working on translations, rather than keeping a status page up to date. Besides, this isn't a production line - there isn't much of a status other than "working" and "done".
I've thought about doing a status page. Of course, keeping it up to date would be a challenge, plus I was afraid it'd put too much pressure on the encoder when things stacked up behind him... but I don't know if Vader could be feeling any more pressure than he is right now!
What's the problem with the encoding, if I could ask? I've done some encoding work myself, mostly transcoding DVDs to XviD, so I'm a little curious. Is this something I could possibly help out with?
The list of problems is hilarious long, and is definitely not limited to technical issues. However, there is hope. Soon now, soon!
Well, if you need help, feel free to ask.
Same here :-)
The Sony website says that DVD disc 7 is now out, containing another unbroadcast episode. Only one more disc to go and then I find out how much the box set will cost me... ouch ouch ouch.
Nice! Big Thx for Ep4!
Woohoo! Hope has returned to the land once more :-)
thanks for the release =P
Big hooray for Whispers! Otsukare-sama de gozaimashita!
We had to go through A LOT of troubles really, but we're here at long last.
If it weren't for you whispers, EP 4 would never come out.
I really appreciate your hard work.
Thank you again whispers! :)
oops, and of course, I also thank YOU, FON, for your excellent guide!
OH FRABJOUS DAY! ::clicks, runs around squealing::
(Oh great, now the spouse is wondering why I'm yelling "EEEEEEEEEEEEE!" at the top of my lungs.)
thank you everyone!
VERY nice work on Kamichu 4! And THANK YOU for continuing it!
You guys don't just subtitle it quick 'n dirty, you do a bang-up professional job explaining everything! I can hardly wait for the next one! (whenever that might come out). But I know you'll do it right. Keep up the great work, you may not see a lot of comments, but there are plenty of us out here enjoying it immensely! :-)
i'm lovin kamichu! thanks for the release made my day. once again thx
Is it me or is the audio in 48kb Mp3 format on Ep4? Looking at the details on FFDShow shows its in Lame Mp3 @ 48kbit... and it certainly sounds like it too. Hope its a mistake on my end...
No, it's a little encoding accident. Future episodes will be better.
Sorry, completely my fault. I'll be sure to avoid that mistake on episode 5, assuming the gang still lets me work on it. :)
Any chance for a lowly anonymous like me to get my hands on one of your raw materials so I can play around with encoding? ^^ ... maybe possibly I can contribute to the cause for this awesome anime in the future >3<
Posting from my laptop as my PC is out of action atm.
Sorry I couldn't get there to finish this episode. Have to wait a little to get my video card replaced as I don't have onboard video or a spare AGP 4x/8x card to put in.
I suppose that I still have Katamari Damacy to keep me company ;-;
? where do I get episode 4 because I don't see it in the forum at all.
All the torrents are listed on the torrent page. Ep 4 is here:
http://cerealandmilk.net/torrents/Kamichu!%20-%20DVD%20%2004%20%5Biitran%5D.avi.torrent
ohhh, defiant01, i'm so sorry!
You provided me the raw for our translatation purpose, from ep 4 to ep 10, yes, I owe you a lot!
Thank you so much for helping us!
whoo looks like geneon is picking up kamichu for a june-ish release. rejoice!
http://www.geneonanimation.com/lounge/ and http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1292217&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 hope the url doesn't get mangled
assuming this is for real, are you guys going to continue subbing? regardless, thanks so much for the excellent work so far!
Just want to thank the Kamichu! team for their work on the series. Bittersweet that I'll be waiting for Geneon so I can see the rest of the series but glad to see the series appears to be on the license track for R1.
Since you've taken the torrents down, I assume you're treating the unofficial announcement as "good enough".
Thanks again, and I'll miss the guides to Kamichu!.
(leaves to start budgeting for the DVDs)
I don't want to be a partpooper... but...
Why the bloody &%$" they dont mention the special DVD extra chapters???!!!
On the other hand, that "wallscroll withput bars" would look awesome in my room... I hope it's a Hanaharu ilustration (like the first volume cover), or at least one of the original DVD covers (the second one...)
They mention it's 16 episodes. That means 12 TV and 4 DVD extras.
Soooo... You won't work on Kamichu anymore...
That's a pity cause here I can't even buy the DVDs that are sold in America. And I wanted to finish watching this... T-T
Anyways... that's just my bad luck (living somewhere behind the moon... haha ^^v)...
Thank you for your hard work so far... ^-^
Please carry on subbing great Anime series!!!! ^____^
"Why the bloody &%$" they dont mention the special DVD extra chapters???!!!"
I think you need to slow down and chill for a moment, then reread what was actually posted on the Geneon Lounge announcement. ie, the following: "One title is 16 episodes that will be released in four volumes." given that the details for the other title is obvioulsy for Ichigo-whatever, the afore-quoted phrase must refer to Kamichu. Since the broadcast of Kamichu only contained 12 episodes and Geneon is quoting 16, it would indicate that they do indeed have the DVD eps. Given that Kamichu is coming from the same Japanese licensor as R.O.D the TV and Petite Cossette which both had stellar R1 releases from Geneon, I wouldn't be worrying much at all.
Preorder's up. That's a lot of extras there.
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/JHTSvSjmmF0QDoipLq/browse/item/69604/4/0/0
WannabeFansubs are subbing the DVDs
Good for them. They can enjoy their C&D. We don't like pissing off the american licensors.
We knew some pirate group would pick it up. The same will probably happen with Emma, as well. But we're not involved in any way.
http://www.wannabefansubs.net/
WF has already dropped it, they didn't believe it was licensed at first.
Shame you guys stopped subbing this but understand your reasons.thankyo for all your hard work to date
my fave show atm.but if it is to be ofically released we can buy it and support the studios.
i assume it will have english subs/and or english dub?
well now it's only Chuchuchuu then, currently at ep8, don't know if they will finish it though, since no one else have :S
> i assume it will have english subs/and or english dub?
Both. The dub direction is apparently by Jonathan Klein, though, and I've never liked any of his work (Haibane, NieA).
352 Name: Nojay : 2006-03-14 14:09 ID:+jBKnd2E [Del] <-- Click here
while waiting for official Kamichu DVD releases,
here's some videos to keep you interested! :)
kamichu - Mata itsuka dokoka de(See you again, someday, somewhere)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1EMSLBE7
kamichu - Koi wa yukue fumei (Love is missing) - 'Bayside Shakedown' Ver.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8PXQE924
kamichu - movie trailer
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49HTTDMQ
Those parody videos are created by one anonymous on 2-channel.
First one has the real Onomichi sceneries, second one introduces voice actor/actoresses with Bayside Shakedown music, and the last one is...um, for April Fool's day!
They are all in japanese, no subtitles in english, but pretty well done!
also be noted that they may have a bit of spoilers.
although they are made for amusing purpose only, if these videos unfit here, please tell me.
i'll delete the link right away.
I'd love to see more kamichu subbed. I got the 1st 3 eps. and liked it, but I haven't been able to get my hands on 4-5. I don't even care if yall keep up with it as long as it gets done eventually.
whoops. missed part of the thread. never mind.
There's a new kami in class -- Kamiyama Samataro...
"Kamisama Kazoku" (God Family) is a new anime series just starting on Japanese TV that looks promising for fans of Kamichu! while they wait for the Geneon releases to come out. Right now (20 May) there are only raws of the first episode on BitTorrent.
http://best.paramnesiac.net/tracker/
From what I can gather watching the raw (plus a crib from AnimeDB) Samataro is the son of God, living in Japan with his family and going to school in the human world to prepare him to take over from his father. Unfortunately, being who he is he gets through life with minimal effort despite the prompting of his guardian angel, Tenko (tenshi-ko). Then an exchange student appears...
Looks to be wacky with a touch of ecchi, but only a slight hint -- the first episode involves "bloomers". Animation quality seems good but this may just be the production house spending big on the first few episodes to attract a viewing audience.
If the Giant Brains at Iichan are at a loose end after Kamichu! and Emma got licenced, they might consider the merest possibility of... well, you know.
In three days of downloading, I have about 66% of the raw, and in the meantime ADTRW speedsubbed it.
And for ep 2, by the time I got the raw from Share, the episode had already been speedsubbed.
No need for me to bother, I guess.
A group called "orz" has started subbing "Kamisama Kazoku". http://orz.7chan.org/ The ADTRW speedsub is an ad-hoc project done by a single member of their team -- Chikushou. The speedsub titles implore the watcher to delete the file when a real group starts subbing the series.
Episode 2 is watchable although the storyline looks to be going down the well-trodden anime path of put-upon but well-meaning boy getting into embarrassing situations with the girl he likes while friends and assorted family members "help" him in the worst way. Samataro's guardian angel Tenko is a refreshing change though in that although she obviously harbours feelings for him she's determined to help him get the girl of his dreams instead of regarding her as a rabu rival to be opposed by fair means and foul. Art quality is staying good (although not up to Kamichu! standards). I spotted two "Haibane Renmei" references in the closing titles of episode 1 and ep. 2 just confirms the trend when you see Tenko's bathing suit. Tenko also has the same problem with her hair that Rakka had. She's definitely the stand-out character for me in this series.
Administrative point: is it worth starting another thread for discussion of this series on the board? Is there anyone else interested?
The Triad were going to do it, but they dropped it because it turned out not being all that interesting.
Got it. The dub is perfect, which is good because the subtitles are a little TOO literal (in an attempt to please animeondvd posters?).
Is there somewhere here or raspberry heaven etc where Kamisama Kazoku is being discussed? I see the torrents linked to from other sites but i can't find them on ADTRW's own torrent page nor any discussion of the fansubbing.
